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CHEMICAL HERITAGE FOUNDATION MARILYN C. PIKE The Pew Scholars Program in the Biomedical Sciences Transcript of an Interview Conducted by Robert Kohler and Frances Kohler at Massachusetts General Hospital Boston, Massachusetts on 6 June 1991 (With Subsequent Corrections and Additions)

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT This oral history is part of a series supported by a grant from the Pew Charitable Trusts based on the Pew Scholars Program in the Biomedical Sciences. This collection is an important resource for the history of biomedicine, recording the life and careers of young, distinguished biomedical scientists and of Pew Biomedical Scholar Advisory Committee members.

This interview has been designated as Restricted Access. Permission of interviewee required to view, quote from, cite, or reproduce the oral history. Please contact CHF to request permission. Chemical Heritage Foundation Center for Oral History 315 Chestnut Street Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19106 The Chemical Heritage Foundation (CHF) serves the community of the chemical and molecular sciences, and the wider public, by treasuring the past, educating the present, and inspiring the future. CHF maintains a world-class collection of materials that document the history and heritage of the chemical and molecular sciences, technologies, and industries; encourages research in CHF collections; and carries out a program of outreach and interpretation in order to advance an understanding of the role of the chemical and molecular sciences, technologies, and industries in shaping society.

MARILYN C. PIKE 1951 Born in Oakridge, Tennessee on May 19 Education 1973 BA, Zoology, Duke University 1979 PhD, Microbiology-Immunology, Duke University 1984 MD, Duke University Professional Experience Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, MA 1984-1986 Resident, Medical Services 1986-present University of Michigan Medical Center, Ann Arbor, MI Clinical Intern in Medicine, Department of Medicine Honors 1977 National Science Foundation National Fellowship 1979 Jim McGinnis Award for Basic Research 1979 American Federation for Clinical Research, Southern Society, Student Research Award 1983 Alpha Omega Alpha 1984 American Medical Women s Achievement Citation 1987 Pew Scholar in the Biomedical Sciences Award

ABSTRACT Marilyn Pike grew up in Westchester, New York. Her father was a chemical engineer who was interested in desalination, even patenting a freeze-drying process for Maxwell House Coffee. Her mother was a housewife. Pike credits her high-school biology teacher for inspiring her career in science. She majored in zoology at Duke University but became interested in biochemistry in Irwin Fridovich s class. After graduation Pike worked for three years as a technician in Ralph Snyderman s lab, publishing several papers. She decided to go to graduate school, staying at Duke and continuing to work in Snyderman s lab. There she began work with phospholipids, work that continues in her lab today. When lab work became boring, Pike decided to go to medical school, again at Duke. She finished her MD in three years and moved to University of Michigan to complete her internship and residency. While there she married Richard Mulligan. He was at the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research, so Pike found a job at Massachusetts General Hospital, with an assistant professorship at Harvard University; her lab s new work there concerns IL 8. Funding has become so difficult, however, that Pike feels she will probably look at other options, such as chief of medicine or consulting for a drug company. Pike talks about her own perfectionism, her love of working with her hands, her need to control. She likes unambiguous results for experiments and likes doing graphics. She likes the congeniality and fun of small labs but thinks that they are a thing of the past, partly because of funding and partly because of the complexity of today s science. She talks about politics in hospital administration and the increasing need for a businessman as chief executive officer, detailing some of what she thinks are Harvard s mistakes in administration of funding. She concludes with some discussion of the problems facing women in academia.

TABLE OF CONTENTS Early Years 1 Grows up in Westchester, New York. Father chemical engineer, mother housewife. Father s interest in desalination; patent on freeze-drying for Maxwell House Coffee. Ursuline Academy; New Rochelle High School. Influence of biology teacher Anne Schwerner. College and Postgraduate Years 8 Attends Duke University. Zoology major. Irwin Fridovich s biochemistry class. Considers medical school; no lab experience; women discouraged; expensive. Technician in Ralph Snyderman s lab. Publishes. Collaborative and friendly group: Robert Lefkowitz, Rusty Williams, Nicholas Kredich. Learns technical skills from Christine Stahl. Graduate School Years 14 Stays at Duke. National Science Foundation (NSF) funding. PhD projects and publications. Interest in lipid chemistry. Prefers more objective, less biological results as with receptor research. Perfectionist who likes working with her hands. Likes getting results with no ambiguity; likes doing graphics. Medical School Years 26 Duke University School of Medicine. Finishes in three years. Enjoys clinical work. University of Michigan. William Kelley. Internship frustrations. Science fields microbiology and immunology, clinical field rheumatology. Good funding, congenial atmosphere. Joel Howell. Moving to Massachusetts 34 Meets Richard Mulligan and marries. Mulligan at Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research. Pike accepts assistant professorship at Massachusetts General Hospital under John Potts. MD/PhDs in vogue. Harvard not easy place. Spacious lab but only four lab members. Thinks small labs no longer viable; funding going to big labs and big science. Currently working on phospholipids; new work on IL 8, therapies to interrupt inflammation in rheumatic diseases. General Thoughts 37 Enjoys small labs over larger labs. Likes to keep control in collaborations. Describes knockout experiments. Drug companies funding at Massachusetts General Hospital. Politics in hospital administration. Necessary chief executive officer qualities. Problems faced by women in academics. Index 54

INDEX A Ann Arbor, Michigan, 30, 33, 34 Atomic Energy Commission, 1 B Baltimore, David, 35, 41 Beth Israel Hospital, 30 Block, Elizabeth, 50 Boston College, 8 Boston University, 8 Boston, Massachusetts, 8, 30 Brent, Roger, 18 California, 32 Capecchi, Mario R., 45 Charlestown, Massachusetts, 36, 40, 46, 47 Chicago, Illinois, 1 collaboration, 23, 31, 44 Columbia University, 29 Depper, Joel M., 30 desalination, 1 Duke University, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 19, 26, 28, 29, 39, 48 Duke University School of Medicine, 27 E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Co., 48 Fridovich, Irwin, 10 C D E F G Genentech, Inc., 39, 48 Glickman, Robert M., 30 grants/funding, 20, 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 42, 45, 46, 47 Harvard University, 8, 18, 32, 33, 35, 39, 46 Honeywell International, Inc., 2 Howard Hughes Medical Institute, 26 Howell, Joel D., 33 Japan, 46 H J K Kelley, William N., 20, 29, 34, 48 Krane, Stephen M., 29, 40 Kredich, Nicholas M., 16, 17, 22 Lefkowitz, Robert J., 16, 19, 22, 23, 24 Long Beach, Long Island, New York, 1 Martin, David W., Jr., 48 Massachusetts General Hospital, 40, 45, 47 Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 18, 35, 38 McCune, W. Joseph, 31 Meadows, Linville M., 19 MIT. See Massachusetts Institute of Technology Mulligan, Richard C., 34 National Institutes of Health, 20, 29, 30, 37, 38, 42, 45 National Science Foundation, 20 New Rochelle, New York, 3 New York City, New York, 8 NIH. See National Institutes of Health North Carolina, 8 Oak Ridge, Tennessee, 1 L M N O 54

Palella, Thomas D., 31, 34 patent, 2, 46 Pennsylvania, 1, 8 Pew Scholars Program in the Biomedical Sciences, 36, 42, 50 Potts, John T., Jr., 35 publish/publication, 20, 21, 26, 28 Schwerner, Anne, 3, 7 Schwerner, Michael H., 3 Science, 37, 45 Snyderman, Ralph, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 23, 26, 39 Stahl, Christine, 19 Stanford University, 48 Struthers Scientific and International Corporation, 2 Tanford, Charles, 23 P S T UCSF. See University of California, San Francisco University of California, San Francisco, 28, 48 University of Michigan, 29, 30, 31, 33, 35, 48 University of North Carolina, 8, 19 University of Utah, 45 Ursuline Academy, 3 Vietnam War, 3 U V W Westchester, New York, 1 Whitehead. See Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research, 18, 35, 36, 38, 43, 44 Williams, Lewis T., 16, 22 Yale University, 48 Y 55