OSR Preclinical Grading Questionnaire Results

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1 does? your, how Albert Einstein COM Exam scores ONLY Pass/fail is the best way to encourage with peers! We know that we're not competing against each other, and everyone is extremely helpful. Before exams, we're always flooded with s of review sheets, online quizzes, charts, lecture notes, etc. that our classmates have created or found elsewhere. It also removes some of the stress of studying. I love pass/fail! Baylor College of Medicine Exam scores ONLY We recently changed to a pass/fail from a honors/high pass/ pass and the students like the new format. Pass/fail allows for learning the material and the fundamental concepts behind the topics as opposed to the minute details required to honor vs. high pass. Brody School of Medicine-ECU Exam scores ONLY It is the same as calling it Honors/. NA Brown Medical School Honors/ etc.) Brown is changing to P/F for both pre-clinical years which will likely improve the learning experiences students have as well as their satisfaction of the preclinical years. As I said above, we are switching to this (already our first year is P/F only) and it seems to decrease feelings of competitiveness between students and increase their enjoyment of the material they are learning. Columbia Exam scores ONLY Dartmouth Medical School Duke Year 1, Honors/ Year 2 etc.) etc.) AND optional exercises such as honors papers or exams Pass fail seems to work well, all exams are multiple choice, and smaller classes occasionally have written exams. Clinical becomes Honors/HP/Pass/LP/Fail see above Dartmouth went pass/fail for the first year two years ago and it has greatly improved and collegiality among the students - a spirit that is maintained even when the scale changes in year 2. in the first year allows students to adjust to the new pace of medical school with less stress and allows students to comfortably try out different study techniques to optimize their own learning style. Just switched to from Honors/ this year. n/a first year is great for the reasons listed above, but it is nice to have a more stratified come into place 2nd year as a motivator for boards preparation and preparing for the that will be used in the clinical rotations.

2 does? your, how Eastern Virginia Medical School Eastern Virginia Medical School Eastern Virginia Medical School Honors/ Pass/ Exam scores ONLY Honors/Honors/Pass/Fa il etc.) Honers/ Pass/ etc.) AND optional exercises such as honors papers or exams The problem is not the structure of the - itself. The problem is that the value of marks does not transcend all courses. In other words, Honors in one class is based on a normal curve, while Honors in another class is based on a predetermined number out of 100. Thus, Pass (or any of the others) does not carry the same value in one class as it does in another. Furthermore, this lack of consistency can be seen when comparing scores between institutions. How does an Honors at one institution compare to Pass at another? More importantly, and with more difficulty, how can we develop a relative scale whose value is consistent both within and between institutions? We cannot. And thus we rely on board scores to do that. So what is the value of pre-clinical when it comes down to applying Honors/Honors/Pass/Fai for residencies? A farce. l See above. It makes people competitive. Grades during 1st/2nd year dont really matter for residency. Worry about learning the minute facts and lose site of the big picture. I haven't researched alternative methods of ensuring competency that do not involve exams. Perhaps, a would be more conducive to a less stress full academic experience. Honors/ Increase. Decrease stress. I feel like it would de-emphasize the obsession with obtaining a certain "number score" on exams. Emory Exam scores ONLY Geffen SOM at UCLA etc.) It took the edge off the stress of med school. Passing the exams was challenging enough that we couldn't slack off, but at the same time, we weren't overly stressed about our grade. Perhaps most importantly, it made me feel free to do things like volunteer in a free clinic and do other things that enhanced my learning, but didn't necessarily apply to the test. I love a true P/F, as a student it is the best environment. However I can see how it makes it difficult for residencies to discern among students. I still learned everything, but I wasn't as stressed as I probably would have been if we had had more intense. I would not change it, but I would add to it much more meaningful and substantive narrative evaluations by faculty. Yes, it's difficult to do that, but without we need to have some method of formal feedback.

3 Iowa does? your etc.) JHUSOM Exam scores ONLY Loyola University Chicago Stritch School of Medicine Marshall University Honors/ Pass/ Exam scores ONLY Exam Scores AND TBL/Group Work 4 4 4, how I think there needs to be some type of way to distinguish between students. It works. I like not worrying about minutia and instead focusing on what matters for the wards. P/F is the best. I think that while the is different than what students are used to, it is still essentially the same scale as A/B/C/Fail, it just sounds different. If the preclinical are going to be, they should be strictly. Similar to undergrad and easy to understand point based on exam scores and set value group. Would facilitate much more cooperation among students, would place less class placement emphasis on preclinical and more on the clinical, which are going to be much better predictors of performance in residency than preclinicals. I believe that options such as Honors/Honors/ are the same as and a simple does not encourage exceptional work. We are not an overly competitive school but a true GPA gives the students something to gauge their work off of and gives them a way to measure their performance against the rest of their class. Michigan State University New Jersey Medical School Honors/Honors/Pass/Fa il Exam Scores and Lab Quizzes etc.) Examinations force students to maintain a certain pace of learning. Although exams are stressful, exams are proven to reveal to students the areas that need improvement. There is always room for improvement on the types of questions asked on examinations. Medical students tend to overanalyse questions and read into the stem moreso than the questions writer intends them to. It would help to add a student(not taking the exams) to the question making panel. I believe a pass-fail would promote more cooperation, instead of competition. Decreased competition. Medical School is competitive enough. Students should not focus on the letter(ie a, b, c, d). helps to make the environment just a little more collaborative.

4 does? your, how New York University School of Medicine OHSU Honors/near Honors/Pass/Marginal pass/fail hypothetically, attendance at mandatory small group learning sessions counts for some portion of our grade, but realistically the grade is from exam scores only. attendance only seems to count if the grade is on the cusp of pass/fail Primarily exam scores. Some classes give minimal component to small group attendance, P/F quizzes, etc See below. Rochester Honors/ Exam scores ONLY Southern Illinois University School of Medicine etc.) Stanford Exam scores ONLY SUNY Downstate Honors/Honors/Pass/Fa il Exam scores ONLY Texas A&M Health Science Center Exam scores ONLY There is, in general, more camaraderie and less competition among the students since we are not competing for the top spot to get honors. Instead, a pass is a pass and that is all. It's nice to not pit everyone against each other, especially when people enter from a wide variety of undergraduate backgrounds Pass/fail based on core competencies We have pass/fail and I think it is the that most encourages learning for the sake of learning and takes the pressure off of getting a perfect score. Education and evaluation ought to be driven by students meeting the core competencies of the MD program, not by any artificial need to stratify the class. Placing so much emphasis on test performance de-emphasizes other important components of physician education. I think it would be even better if we had true pass/fail. There would be little reason for a cutthroat environment. I do see the value of having honors to better round out a class average than setting a mere benchmark, but I believe that the vast majority of medical students are driven and will work hard even in a true pass/fail. The pass/fail allows for greater with other students without competition breeding. Same as above. Pass/fail with no ranking and no reporting really reduces stress. Would not change. our is such that is pass which earns you a 2.0, a is high pass which is a 3.0, and a is honors which is a 4.0. It is really frustrating when you get an 84 or an 83. Although this does not raise competition amongst my classmates because there is no curve, it puts an unfair stress on those seeking competitive residency. Especially when the difference between a high pass and a pass is one or two with a talk with those who "barely questions. pass" We are all training to be competent doctors - we have shown our competence/ability by getting into medical school, and performing well in medical school. Having letter removes the teamwork aspect, and adds a sense of competitiveness. It simply makes more sense - it allows students to focus on material and teamwork, rather than competing with their classmates every three weeks on our exams.

5 does Texas A&M HSC College of Medicine (Temple) Texas A&M HSC COM Texas Tech University HSC SOM Texas Tech University School of Medicine? your Exam scores, written, and the occasional selfassessment / quiz-type assignment, depending on the block in question etc.) etc.) AND optional HONORS/HIGH exercises such as PASS/PASS/MARGINA honors papers or L PASS/FAIL exams Honors/high pass/pass/marginal pass/fail Exam scores ONLY U of MS Med Center numberical Exam scores ONLY UCSD etc.) UCSD etc.) I'm sure it varies from place to place, but the letter grade here does NOT generate a bunch of hyperintense gunners. Also suspect that quite a few of us enjoy having raw scores on exams -- that way, we know roughly where we sit relative to "average," and can improve our performance from there. Says much more than "Pass" does., how Letter-based / raw scores allow us to see how we're doing overall and improve what needs to be improved from there -- and the as is works just fine. The only person you compete with is yourself. And you get the exact grade you deserve. We get exact numerical which helps to determine our rank, but then overall shows up as just an A, B, C, etc for the course. See above reason for being satisfied. The range for Honors is ; high pass is and pass is so a lot of people are discouraged from not being able to reach the high pass or honors marks and get stuck in the huge range. a lot of people would prefer just a/b/c/d or just pass/fail in general. multiple choice tests do not necessarily display what a student actually knows I feel it's unnecessarily stressful with the numberical scale, competitive, and obselete. I think pass/fail reduces competition, but at the end of the day, most people want to learn more than the required 70% so it doesn't truly change how much stress or pressure we impose on ourselves. See above. It relieves the presurre of having to aim for the best score. Rather the pass/fail emphasizes learning. it would probably increase the amount of people sharing material in our class. Honors/Honors/Pass/Fai l seems more fair Pass fail would put emphasis on 3rd year for AOA membership. I think pass/fail is the best way to judge our proficiency in a subject given the amount of material we have to learn. UCSF Exam scores ONLY Univ of KY etc.) Helps increase class a great deal more. When you bring a number of type A personalities together it is nice to not focus on competition of and focus on learning the material. There needs to be a measure to determine how you are doing. See above Pre-clinical learning is not the time to focus on but rather set the bar very high to pass the test and it forces the class to work together to understand the material.

6 does? your, how Central Florida Central Florida Exam scores, written, and lab attendance etc.) Chicago Exam scores ONLY Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine Exam scores ONLY Chicago, Pritzker School of Medicine Exam scores ONLY As a new school, letter are important when applying to residency. If everyone in the class passes a course, there is no marker for who is at the top of the class unless there is an Honors category. In addition, when residencies look at in the preclinical years, a person with an A in anatomy from one school may be better distinguished from a person with a pass in anatomy (even though that person may have received an A, the residencies don't know - they could have received a C). Honors/ I think that s help students that are meeting all requirements but don't score A's all the time, while the Honors portion helps the students at the top of the class to be distinguished based on merit. This would decrease stress levels compared to the letter grade, and foster more without overlooking the students at the top of the class. I think as a new school it is important to have I think as a new school it is important to have A/B/C/F in order for the students and faculty to verify the curriculum structure and pedagogical techniques. A/B/C/F in order for the students and faculty to verify the curriculum structure and pedagogical techniques. The pass fail takes a lot of the pressure off and allows students to work together to learn the material really well. Everyone in my class works together--there have been times when people have sat down with me for hours to explain things to me they understand better based on their educational background. It's a pretty unique experience. see above The pass/fail encourages and learning while downplaying cutthroat competition. Students can bring their unique gifts to the table and thus enhance everyone's learning. See above. We all share study guides, study together, and are very close friends. I couldn't imagine it any other way. See above Colorado Honors/ Exam scores ONLY Florida Exam scores ONLY Exams are as objective as possible and have a quick turnaround so that we know how we did quickly My first year class is the first at UF COM to have the pass/fail. We are the experience as our class seems to have a much greater amount of peer and less stress than previous classes. Since we are the first class with pass/fail, we will not know how this will affect our Board scores so we are as satisfied as guinea pigs can be. If were pass-fail instead of honors-pass-fail, we could focus more on integrating material across classes and studying for step 1 during second year. I would not change it because we just changed to this, so we need to decide how this works for us before deciding whether or not we should change it.

7 university of iowa Kentucky does? your etc.) AND optional exercises such as Honors/Honors/Pass/Fa honors papers or il exams etc.) etc.) AND optional exercises such as honors papers or Honors/ exams Louisville Michigan Exam scores ONLY Minnesota-Duluth Honors/Honors/Pass/Fa il etc.) 3 3 3, how Our administrators say that students always prefer the opposite scheme. With P/F, they wish there was some distinction. With Honors/Near Honors/P/F, students feel that there are arbitrary points trying to divide students. I think overall students feel that there should be some distinction between barely passing and doing really well. Honors/ Students seem to prefer less division. I think our promotes exchange of information in the form of figures, online resources and student-made charts. The current provides students with adequate feedback in their ongoing performance. This decreases anxiety in many students since it only shows a "P" on their transcript. However, for the students who want more than just a "P", there is the option to go for honors. Each class defines what honors means from the beginning and these standards vary. The seems to work as it is now. Pass fail helps increase collaberation amongst my class See above It allows those who really want to satisfaction of excelling to do so. We also have the motto of "S's make doctors" to realize that even if you don't get honors or high honors you will still succeed. I don't see anything wrong with the we use. I have noticed as well that the classes we have that are Pass/fail are not taken as seriously perhaps due to that pattern of. Mississippi numerical values Exams and participation in group meetings Because we get numerical, they don't mean much to program directors for residency. I think we are one of the only med schools that still use it. It was helpful for me during clinical years because I got somewhat higher and got into AOA as a fourth year, so I can't complain too much. Honors/Honors/Pass/Fai l I think it would just make more sense to be on the same as the rest of the country. Grades really only matter for AOA and learning the material to ace the step from a residency admissions perspective. I only think a very few people actually care about class rank. That's just my opinion. Missouri-Columbia Honors/ Exam scores ONLY By having only pass/fail in the first year and honors/pass/fail in the second year, it fosters more a cooperative environment, as opposed to one that fosters competition. Since we are no longer competing with one another, people are more than willing to help out other students simply out of benevolence. It's really quite a beautiful thing to see the it nourishes. Same as above. I really enjoy the honors/pass/fail since it seems to eliminate competition. I'm not really competing against other students. It encourages me to do my personal best and not worry about others. Additionally, people enter medical school from various and diverse backgrounds, the pass/fail helps to alleviate those differences since a PhD in physiology and a French major can both pass (although the PhD may have a better gross score), despite having such different backgrounds.

8 Nevada School of Medicine North Dakota School of Medicine and Health Sciences does? your etc.) year 1, honors/pass/fail year 2 Exam scores ONLY 2 3 3, how Our is not on par with most of the nation I believe and while someone may have and 89% in a class they still end up with a B overall which looks a lot different than the person who got a 90% and got the A in the class. the difference may be 1 or 2 questions through a semester but the person who received the 90% looks a lot better when it comes time to interview for residency. The pass fail I believe is more fair in the long run. Honors/ Several people miss honors because they don't get the points needed on our written case test. THis test is subjectively graded and you are unable to argue for points back to get your receive honors. However, you are able to argue for points if you fail. Doesn't really seem fair for a test that is graded based on presence or absence of "key" words in the essay. This is more representative of the class and those who do extremely well should have it reflected while the rest of the class who passed did enough to be lumped into the same category I feel like there is a huge discrepency between those who pass and just miss getting honors and those who just squeeze by. A/B/C/D/F would better differentiate this. Oklahoma College of Medicine Pittsburgh South Carolina Honors/ Honors/ Exam scores and Quizzes Usually just exam scores, but every so often, participation, or attendance taken into account etc.) South Dakota Exam scores ONLY Most of the time our entire grade for the course comes from one 3-hour exam at the end of the course. It's nice to only have one test to worry about, but also there's no "wiggle room" as far as getting a sense of how the course directors approach exam questions, etc. Honors/Honors/Pass/Fai l I just think the honors grade is unnecessary and drives a significant minority of people who really, really care about honoring to do nothing but study (mind you only for the basic science classes, not for physical exam, behavioral health, biostats, etc.). But who knows, maybe they'd behave that way even if they couldn't honor. See above. Although I like the Honors/, it might be nice to give some recognition to students who score between a 90 and a 95, or even Fair that rewards hard work. Not good though for due to competition. I think it works well for our school. I think we prefer scoring that is objectively based (multiple choice vs. essay or paper) but not based on a curve, allowing for a non-competitive atmosphere. I see few differences between "HH/H/P/F" and the standard, aside from an unnecessary incentive for competitiveness to have a rare "top spot".

9 does? your, how Tennessee College of Medicine etc.) I think would make the first two years of med school less stressful and allow for more boards-focused and otherwise personalized studying instead of focusing on memorizing every detail of every lecture slide... and then some. Honors/ Honors/pass/fail would allow for students to shine in a group rather than individually the first two years then letters from faculty can help individuals shine during the second half of med school. It's not like we are all applying to the same programs in the same places. I think if a student achieved Honors it doesn't hurt him/her if a third+ of the class also achieves this distinction. I think it means that they all worked very hard. I don't know how residency programs view this though. Tennessee Health Science Center etc.) A pass/fail is consistently shown to reduce student stress, not significantly affect step 1 scores and not affect residency location. There seems to be no reason no to make the move. Tennessee is looking at moving to a pass/fail. We are currently in the process of implementing a new curriculum and will wait for this to happen before moving to the new rubric, but it will happen. A lot of faculty are resistant to the idea and others will only agree to changing the if we add honors/high honors. This makes no sense to me as it is basically A/B/C or A/B/C/D/F just with a different name. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that moving to a pass/fail is a bad idea, and it just seems faculty/doctors/people are fearful of change. Texas Medical Branch in Galveston Utah Exam scores, written Honors/Honors/Pass/Fa assignment, and PBL il evaluation Depends on the course: usually just exam scores but occasionally including small group, quizzes, labs and written Honors/ The majority of students like the, but I feel like there is still this hand full that would like to get A, B, C, D, etc. Because Honors is at stake, I do feel like people push themselves to learn more than they might otherwise. It has not seemed to foster sabotage of any sort. It does, however, significantly increase stress in an already significantly stressful two years. While we like out current, I wish all schools would go to a pass/fail method. I think it promotes camaraderie among peers by decreasing the level of competition. Med school is competitive enough as we compete against ourselves. And often times, the differentiating factors between someone that honored and someone that passed are the minute details that provide no clinical revelance to the practice of medicine. The stress levels would significantly decrease and hopefully make the first two years less painful.

10 Vermont does Honors/? your Exam scores, written and clinical skills exams (all required) It allows us to follow our progress throughout the first two years., how I think a pass/fail would leave many of us without motivation to work harder than to achieve a passing grade. Incorporating the opportunity for "honors" in our preclinical courses allows us to challenges ourselves without competing with each other too much. Wisconsin pass/fail for first year and A/B/C/D/F for second year exam scores, quizzes, small group Having pass/fail first year sets a non-competitive precedence that is followed pretty well into second year when are given. I think overall we like when classes have more components than just tests but in a curved class, they dont tend to affect one's. Having pass/fail first year sets a non-competitive precedence that is followed pretty well into second year when are given. UT HSC SAN Antonio Exam scores ONLY Don't know. What else do you do, you know? HEaring from some residency directors, having a competetive ranking is helpful to them, which becomes good for the competative students. Is it ok that everyone doesn't get to go into plastics? Maybe? Undecided See above The letter did not promote a competative environment. There was healthy amongst our class. If anything, the letter grade earned was more an individual-based motivator to do better. Overall, having a pass/fail would have eased the anxiety/stress a little...otherwise it wasn't problematic, just kinda old-fashion way of doing things. (see above) UTHSCSA Exam scores ONLY UWSOM Honors/ Exam scores ONLY Impedes Enhances Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine Wash u Honors/ Pass/Pass/Marginal/Fai l Exam scores, small group participation, team-based learning quizzes Year 1: pass/fail. Year 2: honors/high pass/pass/fail Exam scores ONLY The is fair and the grade students receive generally is an accurate reflection of their knowledge base I wish my entire grade did not depend on one exam. Also the second year style makes everyone really competitive and cutthroat. yale Exam scores ONLY I wish we had a little more evaluation and feedback. Honors/ Yale University Exam scores ONLY The Yale System allows for students to learn at their own pace in the way they learn best. same as above answer. Personally, I would not change the current because it prompts students to work hard and master the material so that they can receive "Honors" and " Pass" on their transcript. I think having a pass/fail may decrease student motivation and cause students to not master the material as well because they will get a "Pass" on their transcript regardless of their numerical average in the course. However, at this time, our institution also is considering going to a "" for all courses. We are currently in the process of collecting student opinions about this type of. Takes the pressure off. Med school is hard enough already without classmates trying to one-up each other all the time. provides a little more motivation, but have to recognize that this engenders competition.